tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8443447842611499359.post4938247451069550997..comments2023-09-13T13:47:47.106+01:00Comments on The Changing Attitude Blog: Ugandan Anti-Homosexuality Bill challenges all in the CommunionAlexhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09163737925142519555noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8443447842611499359.post-92141276811837909562009-11-09T17:44:49.089+00:002009-11-09T17:44:49.089+00:00Let's be clear - one strand of Anglicanism see...Let's be clear - one strand of Anglicanism seeks to split the Communion (by operating out of its own autonomy without making a VERY important decision with the council of the rest of the church and other christians--in other words displaying arrogance and pride and absolutely no humility) into two groups and replace the teaching of scripture and the tradition of the church for a lie. The other group believes all prejudice, including that against LGBT people is wrong, but that this is no excuse for condoning acts. Similarly they would not condone unwed sex simply because the two parties involved have a biological desire to have sex. Our nature is fallen. Just because something is in our nature does not and never will make it right. <br /><br />It is your branch of the church that is unwilling to submit itself in humility to the rest of the church. You are the small minority. You may be the majority of Anglicanism in America, but you are the minority in Anglicanism, and the majority in Christianity, and you are making decisions without the consultation or approval of the rest of the church. There is a term for such belligerent hate-filled (yes hate, if you loved your brothers and sisters in the rest of the world you would respect them and the church more than you clearly do) activism: heresy.<br /><br />Balls in your court, post this or not?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8443447842611499359.post-10570380530713446802009-11-09T17:36:00.394+00:002009-11-09T17:36:00.394+00:00Why would you even think ACNA might be involved? S...Why would you even think ACNA might be involved? Seems paranoid to even suggest it. Clearly you think ACNA is made up of people who just hate other people which is as far from the truth as it gets. Consequently I've heard plenty of non-ACNA members of the anglican communion saying incredibly racist things about the Africans. <br /><br />As to the actual bill, we should fight it. But don't attempt to use this to make underhanded remarks about what you expected ACNA would do. I still can't believe ACNA was even mentioned.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8443447842611499359.post-66467960001107085492009-11-02T17:28:13.502+00:002009-11-02T17:28:13.502+00:00And you really believe that a government as deeply...And you really believe that a government as deeply homophobic as that of Uganda would be able or willing to differentiate?Merseymikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07231364271812168188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8443447842611499359.post-73409503668856159132009-11-01T15:25:39.772+00:002009-11-01T15:25:39.772+00:00It´s a major religious day here in Central America...It´s a major religious day here in Central America...everyone will go to the graves of departed relatives and decorate them and take food and celebrate with them...they will spend the day together with the living and dead, meanwhile hundreds of thousands of kites will reach up to the heavens like vast boquets of flowers of tribute....meanwhile, finally, there is a statement of denial regarding Rick Warrens support of ANY Anti-LGBT Legislation in Uganda:<br /><br />¨Martin Ssempa does not represent me, my wife Kay, Saddleback Church, nor the Global PEACE Plan strategy. In 2007, we completely severed contact with Mr. Ssempa when we learned that his views and actions were in serious conflict with our own. Our role, and the role of the PEACE Plan, whether in Uganda or any other country, is always pastoral and never political. We vigorously oppose anything that hinders the goals of the PEACE Plan: Promoting reconciliation, Equipping ethical leaders, Assisting the poor, Caring for the sick, and Educating the next generation.¨ Rick Warren (refuting anti-Gay religious ring leader Ssempa)<br /><br />STRONG words of condemnation from the American Embassy, Kampala:<br /><br />An official with the US Embassy in Kampala, Uganda, has said that the new Anti-Homosexuality Bill, if enacted into law, would “mark a major setback in the promotion of human rights.”<br />We urge states to take all necessary measures to ensure that sexual orientation or gender identity may under no circumstances be the basis for criminal penalties, in particular executions, arrests, or detention.¨<br /><br />NO WORD FROM ANY OF THE PRIMATES OF THE ANGLICAN COMMUNION...Archbishop Orombi sent out a ¨spokesperson¨ quote here by Ultimate Media: <br /><br />The Provincial Secretary of the Church of Uganda, Rev. Aaron Mwesigye has called for a lighter punishment for homosexuals. <br /><br />He says the proposal to kill the people engaged in homosexuals and lesbianism is against the God’s gift to life. <br /><br />He was addressing a press conference today at Namirembe Protestants Cathedral in Kampala. <br /><br />Rev. Mwesigye also told Parliament on Wednesday that the church supports homosexuals to be imprisoned for life but not to hang them.¨<br /><br />Clearly, +Orombi is once again having his underclergy do his dirty work...be reminded of the case of Heterosexual Bishop Christopher Ssenyonjo, Retired bishop of West Buganda, Uganda, who was excommunicated by ¨archbishop Orombi¨ after establishing a ministry for gay and lesbian believers in his community of marginalized/persecuted LGBT Anglicans.<br /><br />Archbishop Orombi is a coward who operates in the background and sets up anti-lgbt <br />Anglican/other outcasting both in Uganda and abroad...his behind-the-scenes manipulating at the Anglican Communion must be CONFRONTED and ADDRESSED! Peoples lives are at stake!<br /><br />Where is ++Rowan and the rest of the dangerous Primates who would have us allow them decide our futures (and our families and friends and spiritual counselors) with ¨punishing instruments¨ , part four, Anglican Covenant? What punishment? Life in prison or death at their descretion or simply MORE OUTCASTING and damnation? Don´t be silly, who would put themselves in the hands of such wreckless clergypeople? Who could trust the ABC who is busily fretting over his own dangerous missteps at The Body of Christ (and trying to find someone else to blame).Leonardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16667415590825321701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8443447842611499359.post-38985474726237881512009-11-01T15:02:00.491+00:002009-11-01T15:02:00.491+00:00The institutional church isn't very good at op...The institutional church isn't very good at opposing tyranny. It is is so much better at honoring the individuals who suffer at the hands of tyrants.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8443447842611499359.post-40663250044959573602009-11-01T11:45:53.981+00:002009-11-01T11:45:53.981+00:00Please can anyone tell me whether, when he a Justi...Please can anyone tell me whether, when he a Justice in Uganda, Sentamu himself ever passed the death sentence on someone who appeared in his court? I think it is worth knowing the bakcground here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com