tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8443447842611499359.post6723901000929030210..comments2023-09-13T13:47:47.106+01:00Comments on The Changing Attitude Blog: Covenant debate – who was to blame for chaos?Alexhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09163737925142519555noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8443447842611499359.post-44373112620687359492009-05-11T13:19:00.000+01:002009-05-11T13:19:00.000+01:00Josephone Hicks is I think referring to the confir...Josephone Hicks is I think referring to the confirmations which took place in 2000 in Rosemount PA when five Global South bishops including two primates presided at a confirmation in the parish of Rev David Moyer, President of FIFNA who was in serious dispute with his bishop.<br />However, the first geographical boundary crossing was much earlier - the Bishop of London, Graham Leonard, from 1986-90 offered episcopal oversight to an Anglo-Catholic parish in Broken Arrow, Oklahoma which was in dispute with the Episcopal Church. The second was in 1998 when Tom Johnston was called as rector of a conservative parish in Little Rock, Arkansas over the objections of the Bishop of Arkansas. Apparently in order to avoid him being disciplined within the Episcopal Church, Johnston‘s letters dimissory were sent from his former diocese of South Carolina not to Arkansas but to the diocese of Shyira in Rwanda, whose bishop, John Rucyahana, had trained at Trinity Episcopal School for Ministry. Larry Maze, bishop of Arkansas commented that, ‘It seems clear that Mr. Johnston has no intention of moving to Rwanda to carry on his ministry, and that such action was taken only to remove himself from accountability in the American church. In effect what had been a national dispute involving the integrity of diocesan boundaries, is now an issue transplanted to the larger Anglican Communion,’ Johnston himself commented, ―I believe we‘re seeing the first wave of a coming reformation.’ <br />The liberal response was well expressed by Jim Rosenthal, then News Director for the Episcopal Church, ‘I‘ve never seen a similar situation within the church where a bishop outside the country claims oversight of an American priest. There‘s no precedent for it, and no one knows what it means. It does raise canonical questions.’Caroline Hallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12271816786769084457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8443447842611499359.post-58710783803529873642009-05-10T04:44:00.000+01:002009-05-10T04:44:00.000+01:00Thanks for your report, Colin - I know we're on di...Thanks for your report, Colin - I know we're on different sides of the fence but I appreciate your reporting - you do keep the rhetoric at bay very well. I was pretty ticked off yesterday by the chaos - it's frustrating and I think you are right. They needed a parliamentarian who knows what the rules are and can repeat them calmly and slowly and clearly, allowing for translation if necessary. Why there is no translation going on is beyond me. <br /><br />I think that if they wanted to reintroduce amendments or resolutions that have failed, you need to table it before you vote up or down or it's DOA. I think that was a mistake. People assumed they knew what the rules are, while others seemed to make it up as they went along. Add the translation factor and the bias for English and it's a recipe for disaster.<br /><br />Just a correction - it's Josephine Hicks, not Joseph Hicks. Though one never knows these days when that could change. ;-) But I think she's still Josephine. <br /><br />Blessings,<br />-Mary<br />BabyBlueOnline.orgAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17490745238430648958noreply@blogger.com