tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8443447842611499359.post3868284381473526616..comments2023-09-13T13:47:47.106+01:00Comments on The Changing Attitude Blog: Angry AnglicansAlexhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09163737925142519555noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8443447842611499359.post-45167079313375691602009-08-14T23:43:25.858+01:002009-08-14T23:43:25.858+01:00Colin - Met you years ago on a trip 'cross the...Colin - Met you years ago on a trip 'cross the pond. Commend you on your organization and stance. Anger at injustice, hypocracy has its place. Dear Rowan must have a great set of blinders or selective sight - facts are difficult to see when you avoid them! Carry on, young man. Well done.Joanna Depuehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17363504078115199117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8443447842611499359.post-89032545299925931952009-08-14T21:14:04.935+01:002009-08-14T21:14:04.935+01:00Anger seems to have had a conservative priest remo...Anger seems to have had a conservative priest removed but like all things the real reason could be quite different.<br /><br />http://revjph.blogspot.com/2009/08/congregation-give-bigoted-vicar-kick-in.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8443447842611499359.post-16843838419935823142009-08-14T18:27:27.540+01:002009-08-14T18:27:27.540+01:00Right on, Colin!Right on, Colin!Kurt from Brooklynnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8443447842611499359.post-69051682427408614722009-08-14T13:12:04.134+01:002009-08-14T13:12:04.134+01:00Anger is not necessarily a bad thing - there is su...Anger is not necessarily a bad thing - there is such a thing as righteous indignation. On the other hand, I think the emphasis of 'Anonymous' is wiser, and the position of Wright and people like him will indeed look and sound ever more ridiculous, so that even they will abandon it in time. Remember Joel Edwards (who of course doesn't emerge well from Stephen Bates' book) at the end of his stint: 'Christians must stop shouting about homosexuality'. Sooner or later, the penny will drop. Stand firm, contravert (as in your two reasoned pieces), don't give ammunition.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8443447842611499359.post-23505211198093767432009-08-14T11:09:34.039+01:002009-08-14T11:09:34.039+01:00Colin - Thank you for expressing so well the anger...Colin - Thank you for expressing so well the anger and hurt that so many of us are feeling.<br /><br />Being a youngish and newly civil partnered priest, I am daily flawed by the hypocracy and fear that surrounds me from both layity and clergy. Instead of being the joyful, liberated people of God - as the Gospel allows Christians to be - often all I see around me is the gloom that just pervades Holy Church at almost every level.<br /><br />No wonder the world is fast seperating its self from what it sees as an outmoded, old fashioned millstone around the neck of society. To many people, the Church is a dying relic and the sooner it is gone (the church) - the better.<br /><br />But I don't agree with all that the world thinks of Holy Church. She is the Bride of Christ. The Gospel she proclaims is one of full inclusion and unconditional love for all humankind. <br /><br />Christ loves his Bride - we must never forget that. The Sacraments are life giving and must be offered to all and must be taken up by all.<br /><br />Christ has never abandon's His Church.<br /><br />Elijah was the only man left with faith in his time - but God triumphed. Jesus was strung up on the Cross with only Mary (a widowed mother), St John (???perhaps a gay man???) and Mary Magdalene (???perhaps a prostitute or vilified woman???) left to support Him - but He triumphed.<br /><br />I truly believe the Holy Spirit is moving and shaking the Church and Society and we are seeing the pain of upheavel and challenge presented to people who procalim themselves Christisans. It is the arrogance and ignorance of humanity that trys to hold the Spirit back. Humanity can NEVER stop God from being triumphant - especially those who call themselves Christians and work their lies and deceit from inside "the Church".<br /><br />I pray that we rejoice that we are part of God's dynamic and transforming plan and sak to be carried along with the Holy Spirit and share the Gospel message of Love, Love, Inclusive Love.David Stevensonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18091476639902131264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8443447842611499359.post-2367040583278926502009-08-14T09:45:01.708+01:002009-08-14T09:45:01.708+01:00Don't be angry: it only makes bishops feel tha...Don't be angry: it only makes bishops feel that what they say matters any more. Seneca said disappointment is a function of expectation and Rowan Williams has finally disappointed many who had great expectations of him, which is a shame. But the point is precisely as you wrote: 'We are mired in controversy about something which no longer troubles British society.' When bishops talk out of their vanity, affraid for their careers, they sound like what they are. At the moment bishops think that gays are not a significant group, they don't realise that it's not the number of actual gays that matters but the fact that being concerned about gays today makes you look ridiculous; and noone close tends to disagree with bishops because they want their names on the list to be one, which bishops control. We cannot rely on bishops for anything but their vanity, but that's not news - however, as the churches empty and the House of Lords seats look vulnerable they will feel it where it hurts: in their status, and then we will see a change.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8443447842611499359.post-3007826664707362152009-08-14T08:36:05.392+01:002009-08-14T08:36:05.392+01:00Colin: What you say is true. There are gay peopl...Colin: What you say is true. There are gay people everywhere. They must be respected, and they must be given their rights and their dignity. Who sings in choirs, and who plays the organs of the Christian church? Many times it is a gay person. Enough of Christian scaoegoating. It is no better than any other scapegoating. Where science and religion conflict, over yhe long term science will win. The smart theologian incorporates the new knowledge into his ancient story, This is no less true about human sexuality than it is about any other field of research like biology. C.D. Guyerflockmortonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15566542601820654928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8443447842611499359.post-17717427097909665932009-08-13T20:02:41.966+01:002009-08-13T20:02:41.966+01:00The ¨mainstream of Anglicanism¨ has yet to reveal ...The ¨mainstream of Anglicanism¨ has yet to reveal itself fully...thanks for smacking the lies and ignorant ¨generalities¨ out of the way...less will be concealed if WE ALL get follow your habit of facing REALITY and escaping from the selective Scriptural witness that occupies denial and pretend (at some of the highest levels of Anglicanlife).Leonardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16667415590825321701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8443447842611499359.post-73504302003741032852009-08-13T19:56:54.528+01:002009-08-13T19:56:54.528+01:00"Yes, we are angry and we are not going to ta..."Yes, we are angry and we are not going to take it any more!" Thanks for the courage of TEC's GC. Their resolutions finally stated who TEC is and where it is heading. It takes on the prophetic mission of the Communion along with all people of good faith who see not distinctions bewtween men & women or straight or LGBT people who are one in Christ in the Baptismal Covenant. One should be angry... the only lifestyle one chooses is to honest and truthful to God who created all of us and gives us the grace to chose to be who we are and not afrtaid of closets or homorphobic leaders whether in body politic or church. When is His Grace going to call to taks the many leaders of this Communion who call for death and imprisonment of LGBT faithful in their churches? His are words and no actions.... such cowardice to choose unity over the truth.<br /><br />TEC does not wish to rend the communion apart and at every turn affirms the loive for the communion. But no one listens... they only seems to hear what tears the church asunder rather than any healing listening to TEC's affirmative actions for the whole Body of Christ. When are we truly going to act as Anglicans... we are not Rome nor should we deny our actions to appease Rome or Orthodoxy? Why does the Archbishop push a multi-tiered covenant when the ACC acts as the bond of the Communion. We are not a centrist church with one voice that soeaks with the heresy of magisterium but many voices inspired by the many movements of the Holy Spirit leading many churches to evolve in how each one uniqueky proclaims Christ crucified, dead and risen! <br />When is the Archbishop going to publically acknowledge that this controversy is more about class struggle and world struggle than any theological truth....<br />TEC continues to be the voice of reason in the Communion and it is about time all those who believe in the truth of the Gospels rise up in righteous anger to prophetically proclaim that the only thing the LGBT faithful choose is to be open and happy.Vince Chiumento, St Luke in the Fields, NYCnoreply@blogger.com